Jury finds Afghan family guilty in honor killings

I heard on NPR today that thousands are honor murdered each year.

A woman is raped every two hours and gang-raped every eight hours in Pakistan,

Wow-- that is truly horrendous!

These dirty terrorist murderous savage pieces of trash are NOT true Muslims and their actions are totally AGAINST Islam!!!

abdullah, you need to realize the problem is actual practice and events, and not theology. There are cases, to reference your comment below, where clerics sanction these actions. They, too, are ignorant, although I suggest they also see it as a control.

I get the no true christians fallacy all the time, but the is the first time I've ever seen the no true muslims fallacy. You guys aren't so different from each other after all.

There are quite a few verses in your quran advocating violence. Verse after verse advocates the second class standings of women and allows for such violence to be perpetrated by their fathers and husbands. Islam is no religion of peace, friend.

Nope, I read the entire Quran, verse by verse, in Arabic, its original language which also happens to be my mother tongue, sometimes ppl mistranslate the words from Arabic to other languages and even then ppl misinterpret it! Afghans speak Pashto language which is totally different than Arabic and on top of that, so many Afghans are illiterate and poor and frustrated as a result of their own terrorists screwing them up! So HOW can they possibly interpret the Quran correctly?! Us educated peaceful wealthy ppl from the Arabian Gulf interpret the Quran and Islam the RIGHT way, which is why we are so peaceful and pro-USA against these terrorist savages! The Quran NEVER advocates violence except in self defense and when it says "Fight the Unbelievers" it DOES NOT refer to killing all non-Muslims you twat, it refers to fighting those who were persecuting the Muslims in the early days UNTIL THEY STOP FIGHTING!! Nowadays the non-Muslim nations are peaceful to us so we are instructed by the Quran to "honor our peace treaties with them"!

There are numerous calls to violence, including the infamous jihad. In fact, the very founder of the religion used violence to force conversion in order to get his little enterprise off the ground. If the founder was violent, there is little hope of a peaceful dogma.

sometimes ppl mistranslate the words from Arabic to other languages

this link has over thirty translations, are they all incorrect ?

http://www.islamawakened.com/Quran/9/5/default.htm

read the entire Quran, verse by verse, in Arabic, its original language

The Quran is recorded in classic Arabic, few speak that,it's mostly a dead language.

Second the Quran was recorded with out the diacritical marks, so we have no way of knowing it's original meaning or intent. All we have is what is before us,and that is what I linked

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_diacritics

You personally do not define the religion responsible for atrocities such as the one in this article. The religion responsible for most of the world's violence in the current age and the religion which assures that the world will never know lasting peace.

Sorry buddy, wrong again! MY religion PROHIBITS very specifically in the Quran the killing of innocent ppl. And Islam IS the Quran.

HUMAN BEINGS are responsible for attrocities in this age and the previous ages. In the Bible it says to go and kill every nonbeliever SPECIFICALLY, and even though Christians (my respect to them) in these times dont usually go and kill ppl like the Bible says to (see the Old Testament), the Crusaders and Medieval Christian Europeans did EXACTLY that! What I am about to say is a historical fact and DOES NOT mean that I am in any way hostile towards European Christians of today:

The most infernal, sick, and cruel torture devices made to deliver excruciating amounts of pain to people were invented by white European Christians and the Inquisition as well as other mass persecutions, genocides, and acts of oppression were carried out by them! In fact, two of the world's biggest genocides, the Holocaust (the extermination of 6 million innocent Jews by the Nazi pigs) and the Soviet massacres (millions of ppl killed by the Russian Communists) were made by European Christians and atheists, respectively.

There are elements of Christian and atheist violent white supremacist gangs and organizations that are still active in Europe and America.

Europe was a killing field for the most part of its history, with 2 of the greatest, most deadly world wars in human history being fought on European soil, for centuries Europeans butchered, tortured, burned, blew up, and shot themselves for religious and political reasons, while the Arabian Peninsula DID have its share of wars, our wars were NOTHING in comparison to European wars, in fact, the amount of violence and deaths in just ONE world war fought in Europe is greater than ALL of Arabia's wars COMBINED! And also it is interesting to note that there were NEVER any torture devices invented in Arabia as there were in Europe!

Again, I respect and mean no offense or hostility to European Christians, as I have many friends that are Christian and we respect eachother, and of course the Arabian Gulf is the number one ally of the United States and Europe against terrorist animals! But you cant say that you guys are fluffy innocent bunnies and Islam is the big bad wolf out to get you! After all, we are on YOUR side, but Im just saying you cant say you guys dont have your @!$%#!

Now, your mistake is to lump all Muslims into one group, by looking at the actions of either terrorist groups such as Al Qaeda or the Taliban; extremist "scholars"; or rogue immigrants from "Muslim" countries committing crimes in Europe.

My point is that screwed up, backwards, poor, hostile, violent, terrorist-filled backwaters like Iraq, Afghanstan, Iran, Syria, Libya, places in Africa, etc DO NOT REPRESENT ISLAM! They are illiterate poor ppl that are tricked into believing that if they kill enough ppl and blow enough stuff up, the world will give them their state, where they can implement their extremist version of "Sharia Law" and they will be brought out of their misery, but in fact, them doing violent acts of terror only makes it WORSE for them and their goals are completely unrealistic. They believe in oppressing women (which I find DISGUSTING!), severely restricting the rights of the ppl, irrationally hating Jews and other non-Muslims, etc. And that is how they are in MODERN TIMES! In fact, if you go to Los Angeles, USA, you are 1,000 times more likely to get shot or robbed than if you go to any Arabian Gulf major city like Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Doha, etc where there is virtually NO CRIME, and millions of ppl from all religions and countries living side by side in peace!

Now in history, much of the countries I have described above have a history that is COMPLETELY separate with that of the Arabian Gulf. In modern times, as well as today, they DO NOT resemble us ethnically, racially or culturally, they do not speak our type of Arabic (some of them, like Afghans, do not speak Arabic at all!), they are geographically NOT in the Arabian Peninsula, and they have histories almost (but not even) as violent as Medieval Europe. For example the Turkish Ottoman (including Egypt, Syria, Turkey, Palestine, etc, they were NEVER Arabs) and the Safavid Persian empires had long and bloody wars. Arabians about 200 years ago had wars against the Ottoman Empire when they tried to conquer us, but those wars were not even half as bloody as the Turco-Persian wars or European wars. The British actually helped us fight the Turks! You might have heard of a fellow named T.E. Lawrence? And judging by the way I write, wouldn't you consider me to be an educated fellow as well? ;)

Now if you are in doubt as to what I mean when I say the "peaceful, wealthy, ultra-modern Arabian Gulf", I implore you to see my youtube channel with videos about the Gulf, as I always say, a picture is worth more than 1,000 words, see for yourself:

www.youtube.com/user/AbdullahKhaleeji

Peace mate ^_^

Perhaps according to your own interpretation, but why are you more correct than the tremendous number of muslims who have dedicated themselves to violence. And make no mistake, I'm no friend of christianity. However, this article was not about christianity and that is why I did not address them. When the violence stops or even slows perhaps I will be inclined to believe you. In the mean time, you have words and I have article after article like this for support.

See for yourself! There is no violence in the Arabian Gulf, where the REAL Islam is practiced and the REAL Arabs are at! Look at Dubai, Abu Dhabi (United Arab Emirates), Qatar, Kuwait, etc and see how ultra-modern we are and how we blend that with our traditions and are truly unique gems in the world! We are super peaceful and we support the USA against terrorist scum! Stop looking at dirty savage terrorists and 3rd world hostile craphole countries and saying "THATS ISLAM!" because HELL NO ITS NOT!

Did you know that you are 1,000 times more likely to get shot or robbed in Los Angeles, USA than in Dubai, United Arab Emirates? There is more violence in the USA by Christians and Atheists than in the Arabian Gulf where native Arab Muslims live side by side with Christians and Hindus and we all get along!

No violence? Does that include foreign domestics who just might be abused?

Anyway, you should step back and try to understand that your practices do not necessarily match that of other Muslims.

Nope, I never heard of Americans being in any danger in Dubai but I do hear of Americans getting shot and robbed by other Americans in Los Angeles, Detroit and Miami on an almost daily basis. My point: clean up YOUR sh*t first before talking trash or worse, LIES about others...

And "other Muslims"?! Have you not read my posts??? The backwards, 3rd world craphole countries DO NOT REPRESENT TRUE MUSLIMS! I cannot control what other ppl do, but I CAN control my own actions and I am a non-violent person, I am in the Arabian Gulf society and all my family and friends are just like me, Im just the one that speaks the most English and finds the time between working on my marriage, work and school to go online and engage the world in intellectual debate and through my peaceful and non-violent ways hopefully educate those who are not educated about MY region, people, and religion...

Peace mate ^_^

Nice try. I'm talking about foreign domestics from the Philippines, for example. You're much too defensive; it's as if you're trying to convince yourself. From which Gulf Arab country do you hail?

You have a strange attitude toward other Muslims. Why haven't you and your fellow pure and superior Muslims done something about these offensive "non-Muslims" who give Islam a bad name?

As for your purity, does that extend to morality police and the cornucopia of fatwas that emanate from the Saudi clerics?

And since we're far afield of this honor killing topic, how about the Saudis' attitude toward other faiths? You know -- why isn't there a church and a synagogue in Mecca? And, is it okay if someone rejects Islam and seeks another faith?

Convince myself? Nope buddy, I know the truth since Im actually FROM there. Why are you only talking about Saudi Arabia? There are 5 other Arabian Gulf countries!

Let me tell you, even though Im originally Saudi, I disagree with the strict laws there, and since the Holy Cities of Mecca and Medina are there, its a religious state where only mosques can be built, so Saudi Arabia is not a good example, even though I love my Saudi ppl and gov, I think the United Arab Emirates is better. ALL other Gulf States have churches and even Hindu temples! Please THOROUGHLY read my comments! I disagree with a lot of the ridiculous fatwas as do the majority of my Saudi friends and family. Im currently in the States but much prefer my Arabian Gulf so I regularly go to Dubai and Qatar and Im going to relocate to Doha, Qatar soon.

The United Arab Emirates, Qatar, and Kuwait are the best examples of true Arab and Islamic countries where millions of ppl including the native Gulf Arab Muslim population lives side by side in peace. And about ur last question, if someone rejects Islam for another faith, in my own family, which is super pro-USA and moderate anyway, we are still very Muslim, but there is one person in my family, and I wont tell you who because this is personal, that is telling me and his side of the family that he might want to leave Islam, and I was there when his mother told him she will be greatly saddened if he leaves Islam but its HIS choice, for after all, in the Quran it says "there is no compulsion in religion". But we have the RIGHT to believe our religion is the truth and rule our countries as we deem right. I as a Saudi disagree with a lot of the laws, I choose to relocate to another Gulf country which is better for me, but I still LOVE my King and government.. By the way, the Al Saud Royal family WANTS to get rid of a lot of the ridiculous laws and fatwas but the constitution makes the strict Al Alsheikh cleric family co-rulers and they make the laws... but anyways, I hope you read my posts b4 u comment...